The Electrolysis, Water, Hydrogen and Oxygen Myth

Les  16th Aug 2013 22:32:02

You can't get more energy out of burning HHO gas then you put into the electrolysis to break the molecular bonds of water?

The main part of the assumption of many people and scientists is that to break the bonds of the two parts hydrogen and the one part oxygen in water, the same or more energy is needed than you get from burning the HHO gas mixture that is produced by electrolysis.

"You can't get more energy out then you put in" they all scream. "It's against the laws of thermodinamics!".

This all stems from the original experiments done around 1832 showing how much energy was needed to release the gasses using a very inefficient version of electrolysis. From then on it was 'assumed' that the laws of thermodynamics applied.
The truth is that there is no transfer of energy when you break the molecular bonds. You are simply breaking the bonds.

The energy that is released by burning the Hydrogen and Oxygen mixture is governed by the amounts of the two gasses and not to by the way those gasses were manufactured.

That's why Hydrogen Peroxide doesn't need someone charging it with energy to make it explode. The energy is within the chemical mixture already.

By the way, don't get me wrong I believe in the laws of thermodynamics!

You don't need to tell me how unstable Hydrogen Peroxide is and that it needs to be stored in brown bottles because sunlight will cause it to destabilise. The very fact that H2O2 has that extra oxygen molecule should have given you a clue before you looked it up.

You'll find things like this from wikipedia showing electrolysis voltages used in a very inefficient experimental set-up.

Cathode (reduction): 2 H+(aq) + 2e → H2(g)    Eo
= 0.00 V

Anode (oxidation): 2 H2O(l) → O2(g) + 4 H+(aq) + 4e    Eo
= -1.23 V (Eo
= 1.23 ))

All it is showing is what is happening when you apply a DC voltage to the anode and cathode in water. It isn't showing a direct link between the electrical energy supplied and the energy inherent in hydrogen.
These are more or less the same figures from the first experiments in the 1830s. These are the results of an experiment nothing more.

You could think of it this way:
You have three balloons, two filled with Hydrogen and the other filled with Oxygen.
All three are connected with strings.
Cutting the strings with scissors takes a certain amount of energy.
(Let's say that cutting the strings also lets the gas out of the balloons.)
When you light a match, is it the same amount of energy released in the explosion as you used to cut the strings?
Of course not. It depends on how much gas was in the balloons.

If you think hydrogen has no energy until you supply it with some then I'll ask again where does the energy come from that makes H2O2 explode. And don't just tell me because it's unstable!

Watch the 'Stanley Meyer; It runs on water' video carefully and try to have an open mind you'll see he is not using that 1832 version of electrolysis he's using high frequency alternating current.
The next thing you should read about in wikipedia is the advantages high frequency AC has over DC.



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